How Expensive Are Global Stock Markets By Country Using Forward P/E Ratios?

I discussed valuations and the relationship to Japan’s 35 year bear market earlier this week. That discussion focused on Shiller CAPE Price to Earnings (P/E) ratios which look back 10 years and average earnings relative to the current prices of stocks.

The argument against a P/E ratio that looks backward is that companies can grow their earnings in the future in order to validate their higher price. This is obviously true, and it’s exactly what some of the higher growth companies, concentrated in U.S. technology, have done over the last 14 years.

The graph below looks at forward P/E ratios for different countries. Instead of looking backward, this takes current prices and projects them against future earnings. These P/E ratios are almost always lower than those that look backward because Wall Street analysts and companies (that make their money selling stocks) want them to look less expensive and more attractive. They do this by projecting strong future earnings growth. I do the same thing when selling commercial real estate (investors need to project income growth over the coming years in order to model returns).

Even using forward estimated P/E assumptions, this model gives you a view of countries that are expensive (red) and those that are inexpensive (green).

The problem comes when you’ve already priced in massive future growth (higher forward P/E ratios), and there is a speedbump along the way. The company has to deliver on the lofty projections.

The opposite occurs when you’re looking at inexpensive stocks or countries. If valuations are already low, and future earnings are projected to be low, any news that’s more positive to the upside can become a catalyst upward for prices.

I like to do the latter; buy companies and regions that are out of favor at low valuations. That may sound obvious, but that strategy has significantly underperformed over the last 14 years. The investors that purchased high projected growth expensive companies (technology) in expensive countries (the United States) have vastly outperformed almost everything else.

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Japanese Stocks At New All-Time Highs Are Still Less Expensive Than The U.S. & India Based On P/E Ratios:

The intro to John Hussman’s February 24 commentary on U.S. stocks:

“The failure of the general market to decline during the past year despite its obvious vulnerability, as well as the emergence of new investment characteristics, has caused investors to believe that the U.S. has entered a new investment era to which the old guidelines no longer apply. Many have now come to believe that market risk is no longer a realistic consideration, while the risk of being underinvested or in cash and missing opportunities exceeds any other.

– Barron’s Magazine, February 3, 1969

The S&P 500, having peaked a few weeks earlier, was down 36% by May 1970. Perhaps more importantly, the cumulative total return of the S&P 500 lagged the cumulative return of Treasury bills from November 1968 until December 1985.

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At its peak, Nortel reached 38.6% of Canada’s stock market. The stock went to zero. In Finland, Nokia reached 76.8% of the stock market’s total value. Today, Novo Nordisk is 70.6% of Denmark’s stock market:

Japanese Stocks & Valuation Lessons From History

After 35 years, the Japanese stock market has finally reached new record highs. You can see the moment on the chart below when “Abenomics” was introduced in Japan:

Abenomics was a “three quiver” approach to try and boost the markets and economy. It involved (1) structural reforms (2) deficit spending and (3) massive money printing:

The other thing that helped start the rally in Japanese stocks back in 2012 was a low price to earnings valuation.

The CAPE ratio (Shiller Price to Earnings ratio) reached 80 at the peak of Japan’s stock market bubble in 1989. That means investors were willing to pay 80 times the average earnings over the previous 10 years. The price to earnings ratio bottomed in 2012 at 16.

Investors once willing to pay 80 times earnings now wanted nothing to do with stocks paying 16 times earnings. There was extreme pessimism and investors (after being destroyed in the market for 23 straight years) understandably had given up.

Here are some other high-water marks for the CAPE Price To Earnings ratio in other stock markets over the last 35 years:

In 1998 Switzerland reached 58.

In 2000 Germany hit 58. Canada, France, Germany and Italy all crossed 60, while Sweden hit 80.

In 2007, China hit 60 and India reached 48.

Just like Japan, all of these countries have experienced horrific returns since their price to earnings valuation peaks. Some are still well below their all-time highs, 17 to 26 later.

The United States stock market reached 47 in March 2000 at the peak of the dot com bubble. It reached 39 in late 2021 and sits around 34 today (February 2024). It’s currently one of the most expensive stock markets in the world.

The following is a quick snapshot/summary of where price to earnings valuations stood for countries around the world entering 2024:

Average of Foreign Developed Countries: 19 (38% less expensive than the United States)
Average of Foreign Emerging Countries: 15 (51% less expensive than the United States)

What does this mean for the United States stock market moving forward? Reviewing the history of other stock market bubble peaks above, there is plenty of room for valuations to go much higher from where they are today.

Fortunately for us, we don’t have to invest in an expensive stock market (the United States). We can invest in other markets around the world that are much less expensive, typically pay higher dividends, and offer a higher probability of stronger returns relative to the U.S. moving forward.

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However, the concentration is even greater in other stock markets around the world:

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Welcome (Back?)!

I started blogging way back in 2006, and 18 years later I guess I’m still going. For those of you that found this site because you were forwarded here from my previous site, thanks for continuing the journey.

I’m 41 years old now, with a wonderful wife, amazing daughter and real estate company that consume most of my mental energy and thoughts.

While I don’t have the time to write that I did 10 to 15 years ago, I still spend many (probably too many) hours every week reading books/articles and listening to books/podcasts about the financial markets, real estate and behavioral psychology.

My hope is to start writing down more of the things I come across that I find interesting, or worth recommending, here on the site. I’ve realized after doing this for a long time that when I take the time to write things down it helps me remember them. As I move into the second half of my life, remembering things will probably become more and more important.

Hopefully people stopping by this site will find some of these thoughts interesting as well, and we can continue learning together. Here’s to 18 more years!